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dmcgowan - December 12, 2007 02:53 AM (GMT)
In today's socitey Chastiy ( Saving sex until marriage ) is rarely a thing you hear of . Sex is now socially and morally acceptable with who ever you want as long as it's legal and not hurting anyone .

People still have multiple sexual parthers even though the chance of getting an S.T.I is very high . Here are a few stats on S.T.I's

One in five sexually active people have gential herpes

Over 57% of sexually active high school students have Clyhmdia

In both men and women there are very high chances the that both genders will contract gentile warts if they have more than three different sexual parthers .

I know that everyones says the people are protected by using condoms and birth contol , but is that is not a 100% true .

Birth Control may protect from pregnancy , but not from S.T. I's . In the long run birthhcontrol can increase a womans risk of getting ovarian cancer .

Condoms do protect from most S.T.I's but condoms can break and rip . Also gential wart is spread through skin to skin contact , so despite using a condom you can still get Gentile warts . Also there many times when condoms are not used properly so therefore may not work properly .

So what's your " Two Cents" on sex in today's society ?

Sandra77K - December 12, 2007 09:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (dmcgowan @ Dec 12 2007, 03:53 AM)
( Saving sex until marriage )

yeah,right :lol:

Metfuk - December 12, 2007 10:49 AM (GMT)
Interesting topic!
Well let me start by telling that I'm still a virgin. And that's mainly because of 2 things: First off it's because I've never had a girlfriend with who I got to the act of having sex. And I never seem to find a nice girl here anyway.
And secondly and most important: I want it only if there's true love. There have been many situations where I could've taken advantage of a girl and take it to the next level with her. But I just didn't want to because I didn't really like them and I'm not that desperate.
If you've never done it, you don't know what you're missing. Add to that that I never watch porn and never masturbate. I really don't have such a huge desire to have sex like most other boys/men do. I'd rather think about guitars and music...because that's something I stand close to and I can do/practice every day if I want to.

I find it ridiculous that people are just fucking for the fuck of it. I know a couple of people who do that and it disgusts me. There are also people out there who have fuckbuddy's even though they are in a relationship...WTF?!!

And then there's me, 21 years old...who is already in seventh heaven when a girl hugs me!
To me, Love is having deep feelings for eachother and having good conversations with eachother and doing cool things together. And laying in the grass together on nice summer days.

:)

murder - December 12, 2007 11:58 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sandra77K @ Dec 12 2007, 01:59 AM)
QUOTE (dmcgowan @ Dec 12 2007, 03:53 AM)
( Saving sex until marriage )

yeah,right :lol:

+1
:lol:

To me, this is the thing that counts:

QUOTE
Sex is now socially and morally acceptable with who ever you want as long as it's legal and not hurting anyone


And I shall add: you have to asume the consequences of what you do.
Let's take a person (let's say a woman) who parties a lot and goes out every weekend. She likes to have sex with someone different (or even more than 1 person) every weekend.
Most people would say that she's dumb and that she's a bitch. In my case I would say that, as long as she doesn't get into personal stuff (like for example having sex with her best friends partner or whatever) and as long as she accepts the consequences (e.g. people ARE GOING TO SAY that she's a dumb bitch even if she isn't), she can do whatever she wants.

In my opinion I would think that you have to make your body worth something, you know? Not just make it available to anyone. But that is just my attitude. If some other person thinks (like the woman of my example) "it's my body and I like to do this with it", then it's totally fine with me. I mean, I have some friends who are like that and it's very interesting that they tell me about their experiences :lol: .

Sandra77K - December 12, 2007 12:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Metfuk @ Dec 12 2007, 11:49 AM)
Well let me start by telling that I'm still a virgin. And that's mainly because of 2 things: First off it's because I've never had a girlfriend with who I got to the act of having sex. And I never seem to find a nice girl here anyway.
And secondly and most important: I want it only if there's true love.

Oh my :blink:

I wanna be your girlfriend :biggrin

:lol: :lol:

Usagi - December 12, 2007 01:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sandra77K @ Dec 12 2007, 12:28 PM)
QUOTE (Metfuk @ Dec 12 2007, 11:49 AM)
Well let me start by telling that I'm still a virgin. And that's mainly because of 2 things: First off it's because I've never had a girlfriend with who I got to the act of having sex. And I never seem to find a nice girl here anyway.
And secondly and most important: I want it only if there's true love.

Oh my :blink:

I wanna be your girlfriend :biggrin

:lol: :lol:

Ok,so now you have 2 to choose from :D

And btw.I've never even considered a possiblity of saving sex until marriage...I mean WTF? I only make love with someone I love (that's pretty obvious)...But you only have once chance to get married (in most of christian countries :D) and what if you come up to a conclusion that you and your partner don't match (I mean,in sexual respect)?? Believe me,this happens :blink:
That's why I think you should "try" your future husband or wife before you get united forever :o

Lucifer's Angel - December 12, 2007 02:24 PM (GMT)
This is an interesting topic. Sometimes I feel like an old fart, I am a 25-year old virgin who has only been on two dates in my entire life :o I'm not ugly, but I am eccentric, and it is hard for me to meet people I would like to date. I was also raised in a traditional, Spanish Catholic family, and was told by my parents growing up that only bad girls have sex before marriage, getting pregnant out of wedlock is shameful, etc.

Of course, I don't believe that now, but it's depressing to see many young people, especially girls, act like total skanks. I've known far too many girls whose lives revolve around sex, going to clubs every weekend just to find someone to screw. Then they complain that people think they're sluts :rolleyes: Sometimes I feel like a cranky old fart, because I think that people should only have sex if they love that person, or that too much screwing around is bad. It's depressing to me to see young girls dress like something out of the Pussycat Dolls, to see girls talk about sex like drunken sailors, and to whom sex is no big deal.

I am not saying this because I am a Mrs. Grundy who doesn't want anyone to have fun, nor because I think you'll go to hell for that. (For the record, I am a pagan). I just think that it's unhealthy for young people to just screw like so many bunny rabbits on Viagra. It's bad for you healthwise, mentally, spiritually and emotionally. I'm not saying that we should go back to the Victorian days where women were considered wicked for having sexual thoughts, but that we ought to control ourselves, sex is not just a pastime, it is an emotional, spiritual, and yes, physical bond between two people who love and care for each other. If this makes me an old fart, then I am an old fart.

Sandra77K - December 12, 2007 03:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lucifer's Angel @ Dec 12 2007, 03:24 PM)
...and it is hard for me to meet people I would like to date.

i know that feeling :(

TakeNoPrisoners - December 12, 2007 03:41 PM (GMT)
Yeah, I've some friends who PAY to have sex with women!

How lower can you fucking go? To me, it's one of the most degrading thing a man can do.

If you ask me those people are pathetic and desperate. There isn't another explanation to that.

murder - December 12, 2007 06:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Usagi @ Dec 12 2007, 05:24 AM)
I think you should "try" your future husband or wife before you get united forever  :o

:lol:
It sounded funny but yeah I agree!


Sex is one of the most important things in a relationship in my opinion.

Sweet Clementine - December 12, 2007 06:59 PM (GMT)
When it comes down to it, I don't plan on having sex with anyone until I know that it's the right person, which will probably be whoever I marry. Call me a prude, but I plan on saying a virgin until I know I have the right man.

Emmi - December 12, 2007 07:19 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Metfuk @ Dec 12 2007, 10:49 AM)
I find it ridiculous that people are just fucking for the fuck of it.

Well, I'm 14 and a virgin which I asume is pretty normal :P , but many girls in my class aren't. The ways they have lost their virginty is just uhm..slutty :rolleyes: They get drunk, find a dude and fuck him. I'ts pathetic if you ask me. They just have sex to say they have had sex. One chick lost her virginity at the toilet of a club with a dude who couldn't even speak Norwegian. I think it's fucking stupid to do shit like that. I could go on and on about those stories about the chicks in my class. Basically I think you shouldn't just have sex with someone just so you can say you've done it. I think its more right to wait for the right person, someone you love.

Usagi - December 12, 2007 07:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Emmi @ Dec 12 2007, 07:19 PM)
QUOTE (Metfuk @ Dec 12 2007, 10:49 AM)
I find it ridiculous that people are just fucking for the fuck of it.

One chick lost her virginity at the toilet of a club with a dude who couldn't even speak Norwegian.

OMG,I can't believe someone can be that stupid -_-
I'm not a virgin.But I really loved the guy I had sex with.We were together for nearly 2 years and I felt ready ^_^

Battery - December 12, 2007 07:25 PM (GMT)
Here are my two cents:
I personally think both extremes are harmful: being too liberal with sex and demonizing it.
Sex it's healthy as long as it doesn't infringe anyone's limits.
I'm still a virgin also, and I think I'll stay in this status for a long time, since I have a big problem with finding the right person also. And to be honest, there was a time when I was really sad and kind of worried because of that, but I’m not anymore. I can wait, I think it's better to wait until you feel totally ready and sure on what are you standing. And I can't say I don't feel any sexual tension, it’s hard not to think about sex when it’s almost everywhere, but I think that, what distinguish us from animals is that we can control ourselves. Fucking with someone only because of lust we can't control is something not for me.
But.
If someone just have sex only for pleasure and it makes him happy….Well, it’s his choice. I don’t see anything wrong with that as long as that person isn’t somehow forced to have sex: By his partner or by the pressure of society. If he or she really wants it. AND as long as this person is aware it’s just sex. I feel sorry for people who mix up lust and love and get disappointed when they discover there’s nothing more in it than just a physical act.
And the facts in dmcgowan posted…. They’re disturbing. I just hope showing somoeone your health test results on first date, to prove that you're "clean" will not become common in the future. This lack of responsibility makes me mad.

JuJuMetallica - December 12, 2007 07:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Emmi @ Dec 12 2007, 11:19 AM)
QUOTE (Metfuk @ Dec 12 2007, 10:49 AM)
I find it ridiculous that people are just fucking for the fuck of it.

Well, I'm 14 and a virgin which I asume is pretty normal :P , but many girls in my class aren't. The ways they have lost their virginty is just uhm..slutty :rolleyes: They get drunk, find a dude and fuck him. I'ts pathetic if you ask me. They just have sex to say they have had sex. One chick lost her virginity at the toilet of a club with a dude who couldn't even speak Norwegian. I think it's fucking stupid to do shit like that. I could go on and on about those stories about the chicks in my class. Basically I think you shouldn't just have sex with someone just so you can say you've done it. I think its more right to wait for the right person, someone you love.

I too know girls that just have sex..with WHOEVER just for the sake of it!? I wouldn't do that, I don't feel that I would get ANYTHING out of that. But I doubt I'll wait until I get married, I've never thought about that really, and the thought doesn't appeal to me. But I think it is a great choice, it varies from person to person.
I still don't judge people who go out on weekends and happen to have sex with someone, but when really young girls do it, it's just not right.
I know many that has been and are with over 20-27 year old guys, and they are themselves 13-15.
Loosing their virginity just to LOOSE it is..just beyond the way I think, and being drunk at the time, so drunk they don't remember who they even had sex with.
And talking about having sex with your boyfriend infront of anyone, I'm just gonna ask, Why? Is it so EVERYONE knows that YOU'VE had sex?
I would keep my private life just that what it is, private! For the sake of both people in the relationship, or maybe they both just want people to know thay they are having sex..

Battery - December 12, 2007 08:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lucifer's Angel @ Dec 12 2007, 03:24 PM)
Of course, I don't believe that now, but it's depressing to see many young people, especially girls, act like total skanks. I've known far too many girls whose lives revolve around sex, going to clubs every weekend just to find someone to screw. Then they complain that people think they're sluts :rolleyes:


I agree, and they find themselves as a victims... total ignorance and lack of respect towards their own bodies and souls I would say :rolleyes:

I forgot to add in my previous post, I think that the having sex in general requires maturity. When I see all those kids, hurting themselves mentally by going to bed with anyone... It's, as you said, depressing...

Lucifer's Angel - December 12, 2007 08:36 PM (GMT)
Glad to hear I'm not the only virgin in this thread :) And yes, sex does require maturity. In my neck of the woods, Northern New Jersey, we have a high teen pregnancy rate, along with a high incidence of STD's :wacko: I remember there were a lot of pregnant girls in my high school, and even in seventh and eighth grades :o I've seen too many teenaged girls who will pretty much screw anything, and 12-13 year old girls could pass for grown women :o

It is difficult being a virgin at my age, since we live right next to New York, and so many of the kids here seem so sophisticated, compared to me, like something out of Gossip Girls :( I was teased, and called a dork, but at least I am happy with my life, that I have never and will never contract an STD or an unplanned pregnancy. Good I'm not the only person here who thinks like this :)

Metfuk - December 12, 2007 11:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lucifer's Angel @ Dec 12 2007, 09:36 PM)
It is difficult being a virgin at my age, since we live right next to New York, and so many of the kids here seem so sophisticated, compared to me, like something out of Gossip Girls :( I was teased, and called a dork, but at least I am happy with my life, that I have never and will never contract an STD or an unplanned pregnancy. Good I'm not the only person here who thinks like this :)

I feel the same!

Some time back...I was talking to a girl I know and she pretty much offended me. The situation was as follows: She just had a new boyfriend for a couple of months and she had sex for the very first time a couple of weeks earlier. She is 19, just lost her virginity...nothing wrong with that, right? But she already started getting cocky about it. When we were discussing some stuff about me she came up out of the blue with "...yes, but who out there is still a virgin?...Outside of you, I don't know anybody who is".
I felt offended because she used to be a virgin for a long time too, and now she acts as if it's something that makes me 'lower' than her! :td:

In reply to Usagi:
I agree with the marriage thing. I am by no means a supporter of saving sex until marriage. As I said before, I'd only have sex with someone I really loved for a longer time (so for the record, not in the 4th week of our relationship for example, like a lot of people seem to do).
I think saving sex until you're married is as stupid as buying a car without making a test drive first. Like Sofi said: Sex is important in a relationship. So if it's not good, or not to your standards this will ruin the relationship. It is pretty stupid if you're married already at that point.
I also think it's bad that this causes a lot of strong religious people to marry at a VERY young age! I think you should only marry after a certain amount of years of knowing eachother and after you've lived under one roof for a couple of years.

dmcgowan - December 13, 2007 01:40 AM (GMT)
Thanks for the opinions ladies and gents !

Here's my two cents :

1) Sex is between people and in all honestly should be kept a private matter , between the two people who had or who are having sexual relations . It is honeslty for me very digusting to hear the girls in my classes go on and on about how good sex was with their boyfriend, and about how many times they did it in a week . It's also pretty gross when both girls and guys become "friends with benefits" and you hear about that .

2) Having sex for the sake of having sex , is not a good thing . In opinion sex should between two people who love each other, for each other, and not just their money, apperance, etc .

I myself , am I virgin, and I know a lot of guys and girls my age who are not virgins . Actually in my high school 3 girls in grade 9 have already gotten pregnant . Two of them had abortions, and the other girl, he parents sent to a private school, for girl in her situation . A group of friends that I have are sexually active, we get along fine , except they think I'm overly religious because I'm still a virgin and am not sexually suggestive around guys . What happens with 99.9% of all of the reltionships they have had is , they have have sex then break up a few weeks later, after the break up they don't want to be around each other at all . The other situaion is friend with benefits , which is just when two friend do each other sexual favors for pleasure , which is disgusting , most of them I don't hang out with , especially if their with their " fuck-buddy.

I myself am going to wait until I find someone who I do truly love before I have sex with them , which may end up to be marriage, but I very highly doubt it .

Metfuk - December 13, 2007 09:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (dmcgowan @ Dec 13 2007, 02:40 AM)
1) Sex is between people and in all honestly should be kept a private matter , between the two people who had or who are having sexual relations . It is honeslty for me very digusting to hear the girls in my classes go on and on about how good sex was with their boyfriend, and about how many times they did it in a week . It's also pretty gross when both girls and guys become "friends with benefits" and you hear about that .

Yeah, I feel pretty uncomfortable when I'm among some of those people.

lolo - December 14, 2007 05:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Metfuk @ Dec 13 2007, 12:39 AM)
I think saving sex until you're married is as stupid as buying a car without making a test drive first.

I agree with you on that point, but how you quoted it was hilarious. I had this Neckerman view, you order it, try it on. If you don't like it, send it back.
and that way it sounds a bit mean.
But still I agree, what is you partner has some ideas about sec you totally do not agree with, and don't want to do them.

Metal_Marie - December 15, 2007 02:02 AM (GMT)
I'm 17 and i'm still a virgin, i think there are way too many people that abuse sex but i have to agree with Max's
"I think saving sex until you're married is as stupid as buying a car without making a test drive first. "

:lol:

Ooh and yeah those people that have sex and talk about it should just shut up about it thats gross; i think sex is for people who love each other and have been together for some time, not to show off, get addicted to it or do it with your new boy/girlfriend you met the other week.

heavymetalhippy01cg - December 15, 2007 02:16 AM (GMT)
I think that you should find someone on the same page as you.
At the moment though i'm a virgin, i'm comfortable with losing it to someone. Or at least exploring more sexual territory and i dont think it's slutty. See there's people who have sex and look down on people who haven't or wont. And there's people who dont have sex who look down on people who do have sex. Depends how arrogant you are and how much you think YOUR lifestyle is the RIGHT one. One rule doesn't necessarily work for everyone.

If someone has sex and they do it a lot, it all depends how much they know what their doing. Why their doing it? Is it peer pressure or do they simply just love a bit of cock.

We need to give people the space to make mistakes, not everyone gets it right the first time. And they may go a bit mad with the old sex coz im supposing it gets addictive. I mean i havent had sex but...*whispers* i have at least 3 orgasm a day *whispers*.

If someone inflict their choices on you...that's wrong, and it goes for both sides. Sexually Active people and non-sexually active people.
Sex can be destructive but its really the person...not the sex necesarily. I want to be in a society that i can feel like i can say i had sex and not have anyone making weird judgements on that. Coz it's my decision. It's worse in school, people are nosey. None of their fuckin business really.

You reallllllyyyy need to have sex for yourself not for anyone else. You'll regret it if u do it coz someone pressured you into it.

Personally i'll be quite proud when i have sex because i'm disabled and its a bit tricky. I have to be a little more experimental.

If someone like a friend said that she had sex...what would be your attitude towards that? Is the problem how people deal with the fact their having sex like being arrogant about it or...is it them actually having sex that bothers you?

I don't like it when people shrug off sex as just ...something that happens...i mean its not phenomenally special but it is still, meaningful.

heavymetalhippy01cg - December 15, 2007 02:22 AM (GMT)
P.s. i think people should talk about sex...it really depends what info they give u or perhaps the way you say it. I call it sharing info. Basically Im a curious girl so i like to hear people talk about sex. I suppose it's like a substitution for sex education. If you think talking about sex is a disgusting thing then if you have children...well there's no hope in hell their gonna tell you anything about sex if your not open about it. Then you wont know what their up to. *shrugs* im just saying its something to think about.

I'm reasonable, it all depends. If you're boastful well i wanna know whats so fuckin great about what your doing that someone else isn't doing.

MetGrrl - December 15, 2007 04:46 AM (GMT)
I lost my virginity at 14 with a guy that was 17. I know some may look down on me for that, but it was my choice and i don't regret it (even though we split.)

I know that I was the first girl in my class to lose my v-card. It shocked a lot of people, and I noticed that lots of people went into a mad dash to lose their virginity after my encounter leaked. Many people lose it to 'be cool', but I lost it completely on my own choice.
I was in love, or what I thought was love at the time. :dance

The boy I'm currently having relations with; we fooled around a little bit before we started dating. I'm not a whore by any means. I've only had sex 6 times, with only 2 guys. I do it to satisfy myself and my man and for no one else. :heart:

As far as STDs go, as long as people are responsible enough to choose a responsible partner, I don't have a problem with young people having sex. I've had my HPV vaccine, i use condoms and i have a stock of the morning-after pill (just in case.) As far as I know (I don't really like to ask about a person's sex life) my baby hasn't had many partners and is as cautious as i am about having safe sex.
As for condoms, as long as you use a reliable brand like Trojan or Durex(<--i use Her Sensation-- they're pink!) the risk of them breaking is fairly low. A latex condom has the ability to stretch to 400% its size before it bursts.


I'm a walking encyclopedia of Sex Education, so if you have any questions let me know. :)

Metfuk - December 15, 2007 03:21 PM (GMT)
@ Cat:

I see where you're coming from. I don't mind talking about sex with someone. I have asked several people (on msn for example) about sex or related things. Just in a one on one conversation. It is indeed a nice way to get some sexual education. But I don't like to talk about it all the time or, frequently for that matter.
What I HATE is when some totally unknown person is talking loud about sexual details of last night with his/her friends at some public place (school, train, you name it) and I can hear it too.
I mean, wtf? What's wrong with people?!

heavymetalhippy01cg - December 15, 2007 04:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Metfuk @ Dec 15 2007, 03:21 PM)
@ Cat:

I see where you're coming from. I don't mind talking about sex with someone. I have asked several people (on msn for example) about sex or related things. Just in a one on one conversation. It is indeed a nice way to get some sexual education. But I don't like to talk about it all the time or, frequently for that matter.
What I HATE is when some totally unknown person is talking loud about sexual details of last night with his/her friends at some public place (school, train, you name it) and I can hear it too.
I mean, wtf? What's wrong with people?!

I think people should use a medium tone when they talk about sex...not too loud and dont whisper it like its embarassing.

Sex is fun to talk about...but people i dunno, either their easily shocked or they pretend to be shocked. I've said some er....dubious things as a joke and their shocked even though, i know they've shagged half the town.

If you'd had sex dont lie about it...nothing to be embarassed about but dont boast about it like its a triumph, unless u have no legs in which by all means boast about it. Coz having sex with problems like that is a triumph.

@Max...once ive gleaned all the info i can get from people i probably wont talk about it. Its usually if im worrying about sex. I worry. And it suits me everyone is open about it...but then again, if everyones hates people talking about it then...well its not gonna be open and im stuffed basically. I can put up with people boasting about sex as long as it leaves it open for me to latch onto a sexual conversation and ask questions.

Sometimes the way i talk about sex, seems like ive already did it.
I see sex as a way out of...laziness (coz im awful at exercise) and i see it something to explore. I'm curious about it. Perhaps thats what makes me feel like i shouldn't be asking the questions i ask. But i need to know...to prepare and all that. So i need openess and i need unashamed advice without being patronising. Ahaa thats it...a lot of people who've had sex can be patronising, that irritates me.

Btw if i talk about sex i usually use euphemisms and sexual innuendo so it doesn't seem so brazen. Some words u use to describe sex are too clinical or too biting.

lolo - December 15, 2007 06:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Metfuk @ Dec 15 2007, 04:21 PM)
What I HATE is when some totally unknown person is talking loud about sexual details of last night with his/her friends at some public place (school, train, you name it) and I can hear it too.
I mean, wtf? What's wrong with people?!

I agree, and not only in the train or other public places, but on tv, every chanel has it's own real life soap, or something like Big Brother. I hate those shows anyway, but why do you want to show the whole country what you are doing in your bedroom. I mean, everybody you know is probably watching the show, and they will see your naked but on tv while having sex.
I think talking about it is okay. When people ask me things I will give an answer, and I won't mind asking things myself. people will learn from each other and give advise.
but you don't have to show us

R@quel - December 15, 2007 10:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sandra77K @ Dec 12 2007, 05:28 AM)
QUOTE (Metfuk @ Dec 12 2007, 11:49 AM)
Well let me start by telling that I'm still a virgin. And that's mainly because of 2 things: First off it's because I've never had a girlfriend with who I got to the act of having sex. And I never seem to find a nice girl here anyway.
And secondly and most important: I want it only if there's true love.

Oh my :blink:

I wanna be your girlfriend :biggrin

:lol: :lol:

You would rather have sex with someone who doesn't value you?

I have only had sex with one person, my husband. And I'm proud of that. I think people who wait until marriage to have sex should be honored and not laughed at. To me, people (and especially young people) are not mentally prepared for sex. It's not possible to seperate the emotion from the act. Some people feel they can, and they end up tearing themselves apart and feeling worthless and used. It's NOT like the movies, where people can have casual sex with many different people and go home and sleep peacefully. I couldn't imagine being just another notch on someone's belt. It would make me feel like a used tissue.

Metfuk - December 15, 2007 11:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (R@quel @ Dec 15 2007, 11:46 PM)
QUOTE (Sandra77K @ Dec 12 2007, 05:28 AM)
QUOTE (Metfuk @ Dec 12 2007, 11:49 AM)
Well let me start by telling that I'm still a virgin. And that's mainly because of 2 things: First off it's because I've never had a girlfriend with who I got to the act of having sex. And I never seem to find a nice girl here anyway.
And secondly and most important: I want it only if there's true love.

Oh my :blink:

I wanna be your girlfriend :biggrin

:lol: :lol:

You would rather have sex with someone who doesn't value you?

I have only had sex with one person, my husband. And I'm proud of that. I think people who wait until marriage to have sex should be honored and not laughed at. To me, people (and especially young people) are not mentally prepared for sex. It's not possible to seperate the emotion from the act. Some people feel they can, and they end up tearing themselves apart and feeling worthless and used. It's NOT like the movies, where people can have casual sex with many different people and go home and sleep peacefully. I couldn't imagine being just another notch on someone's belt. It would make me feel like a used tissue.

Agreed.
And to make things clear: I'm not laughing at people who save sex until marriage. I'm just saying I wouldn't do it that way because of the reasons already mentioned (that mainly being that the sex could be disappointing which may result in a divorce which would be a shame). I do like the concept though. It's very classy. And if everything does work out (that being when both of you are satisfied) then that's awesome!
But I'd just already experiment around before marriage (in the engagement period maybe?). I mean, if you already know almost 100% sure you're gonna marry eachother, you may aswell lose your virginity with that person already.

However, I do not wish to save sex until marriage or something close it myself. When things are right I will just move along with whatever feels good at that point. But knowing myself, I think it's gonna be a long road. Because I'm very sexually insecure (you can tell, since I've already said I've never touched my ding-a-ling for fun and I do not think about sex much). I've wondered where this would come from but I'm actually clueless. I've spoken with people about the possibility of me maybe being sexually assaulted in a previous life or stuff like that. It is interesting to think about the possibility of having had previous lives. (A girl I know is affraid of water and boattrips and she did some kind of test and she found out that she had died in a previous life because she drowned with the ship she was on).
I've also had a dream last year in which I was a prostitue. I was laying on a bed and girls were standing in line for me at the door. The girls went 'on top' when doing their things. (almost always when I dream about sex, and that's pretty rare for me to begin with, the girl is on top) Someone who I know and who can explain dreams said that this dream meant that I was very sexually insecure. When she told me that, It really made a lot of sense to me!

Yeah...I really have a long way to go. But it doesn't really matter. In the meantime I just enjoy my music and try to avoid worrying about it.

MetalChik666 - December 16, 2007 05:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (TakeNoPrisoners @ Dec 12 2007, 07:41 AM)
Yeah, I've some friends who PAY to have sex with women!

to that.

what.the.hell.

Battery - December 16, 2007 11:02 AM (GMT)
Metfuk"However, I do not wish to save sex until marriage or something close it myself. When things are right I will just move along with whatever feels good at that point. But knowing myself, I think it's gonna be a long road. Because I'm very sexually insecure (you can tell, since I've already said I've never touched my ding-a-ling for fun and I do not think about sex much)."

I think everyone is sexual insecure to some extent. But I believe that when you're with person who you love and who loves you back (I know it'll sound like something from romantic movie -_- ): when there's a case of true love, you fully trust each other and all that, then insecurity disappears.
Well, I can be wrong, but I really hope it's like that. :wacko: Anyone?

heavymetalhippy01cg:"See there's people who have sex and look down on people who haven't or wont. And there's people who dont have sex who look down on people who do have sex." - exactly, it's just about the respect to other people's choices (of course well-considered, aware and responsible choices). I have my own way, but I don't think that people who have different look on those issues are worse or something. :wacko:

heavymetalhippy01cg - December 16, 2007 02:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Battery @ Dec 16 2007, 11:02 AM)
exactly, it's just about the respect to other people's choices (of course well-considered, aware and responsible choices). I have my own way, but I don't think that people who have different look on those issues are worse or something. :wacko:

Yeah i think the way i do it is good for me, it might be good for someone else and i would be happy to share information not tell people what to do. Just sort of outline things but try not be like...i think my way is the best and everyone should do it. Nothing is certain and i may very well find that i'll need to alter some things or attitudes i have.

I believe that people are the way they are because of the social, physical, family environment we grow up in. And sometimes its not helpful to be all like..." :rolleyes: look at those teenage pregnant mothers Heh..." u know that snobby way...i mean ye they made a mistake or accident, we shouldn't condemn them. Same goes with slutty people, maybe one day they'll realise some things until that time, take them as they come. It is entirely possible to be a slut but be a kind and caring person.

See my best friend was the sleeping around type and i personally wouldn't like people looking down on her or making a judgement on her through that. All she needed was time and a few hard shocks to get her to the place she is. She didn't look down on me for not having sex...in fact i think she kinda respected it. She had 2 abortions (and i know people will look down on her for that), contracted an STD and it brought her back to earth. She's different, much more mature. But...if I abandoned her solely because "she's a slut" then...well things could be different. Don't be so quick to judge and if someone is like that...patience and time is needed. They'll realise soon enough hopefully without getting an STD. I'm proud of my best friend even if others aren't, she came out on top and obviously challenged her previous practices. I just don't like the idea that she would be judged on that. And she wasn't the loud mouth sex crazed freak type...she kept it on the low mostly. Although in school there were rumours about her having an abortion which was untrue coz she had them later...it was just coz someone saw her grinding against someone. That caused a lot of trouble for her...coz it was a catholic high school. The whole year were bloody hypocrites. I was pissed off...if she did have an abortion i see no reason why it was any of their business. She never boasted about her sex life.

Battery - December 16, 2007 03:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (heavymetalhippy01cg @ Dec 16 2007, 03:48 PM)
QUOTE (Battery @ Dec 16 2007, 11:02 AM)
exactly, it's just about the respect to other people's choices (of course well-considered, aware and responsible choices). I have my own way, but I don't think that people who have different look on those issues are worse or something.  :wacko:

Yeah i think the way i do it is good for me, it might be good for someone else and i would be happy to share information not tell people what to do. Just sort of outline things but try not be like...i think my way is the best and everyone should do it. Nothing is certain and i may very well find that i'll need to alter some things or attitudes i have.

I believe that people are the way they are because of the social, physical, family environment we grow up in. And sometimes its not helpful to be all like..." :rolleyes: look at those teenage pregnant mothers Heh..." u know that snobby way...i mean ye they made a mistake or accident, we shouldn't condemn them. Same goes with slutty people, maybe one day they'll realise some things until that time, take them as they come. It is entirely possible to be a slut but be a kind and caring person.

See my best friend was the sleeping around type and i personally wouldn't like people looking down on her or making a judgement on her through that. All she needed was time and a few hard shocks to get her to the place she is. She didn't look down on me for not having sex...in fact i think she kinda respected it. She had 2 abortions (and i know people will look down on her for that), contracted an STD and it brought her back to earth. She's different, much more mature. But...if I abandoned her solely because "she's a slut" then...well things could be different. Don't be so quick to judge and if someone is like that...patience and time is needed. They'll realise soon enough hopefully without getting an STD. I'm proud of my best friend even if others aren't, she came out on top and obviously challenged her previous practices. I just don't like the idea that she would be judged on that. And she wasn't the loud mouth sex crazed freak type...she kept it on the low mostly. Although in school there were rumours about her having an abortion which was untrue coz she had them later...it was just coz someone saw her grinding against someone. That caused a lot of trouble for her...coz it was a catholic high school. The whole year were bloody hypocrites. I was pissed off...if she did have an abortion i see no reason why it was any of their business. She never boasted about her sex life.


It's really great your friend had you on her side to help her. But many of 'slutty girls' don't have people who can help them see they're hurting themselves.
They're often surrounded by people who don't do anything to change their bad habits because they do the same or they take advantage from those girls and they simply don't care about their feelings, just bodies.
With all due respect to your friend, but I think that situations like she was in, should be avoided as much as they can be avoided (I hope you get my point, my english isn't perfect).
And don't get me wrong, I'm against kicking lying. I would never went like" Go to hell with your problems, you deserved it". It just gets me angry and sad at the same time to see people who get seriously hurt by their frivolous and ill-concieved acts. I can help I feel anger when I see a girl who slept with a half of the town crying she doesn't know what to do because she got pregnant, I mean: think before you go to bed with someone!!! But I'm not saying because of that she should be excluded from society or something, no.
And I know that 'bedroom habits' don't determine people characters :)

laura_stef - December 16, 2007 08:01 PM (GMT)
well... let me join the virgin club... i'm a virgin & i intend to stay that way until i find a guy that loves me & that i love... for me it's pretty hard to get a boyfriend as it is, mainly because i'm very picky... i have high standards so to speak... i'm not as interested in losing my virginity as i am in finding a boyfriend even if we don't end up having sex... all i want is love for the moment :P



i have 3 best friends & 2 of them have lost their virginity ... & ofc we talk about sex, but only amongst us (nobody else's business) & we don't discuss the details ofc.... one of them is very sexually active, not that she has sex with a lot of people, it's just with her bf...she likes sex & experimenting etc.... & i was really offended by the people who considered her a slut even when she was still a virgin just because she was a little flirtatious ... geez... she is actually very supportive & agrees that you should have sex with the person you love... she's not like a classmate of mine (laura- blah! i hate that we share a name), who used to boast about her affairs ... that was just gross... she has this attitude that because she had sex with so many people then she's more desired & better than the rest of us virgin girls.... i hate that kind of behavior...

as my romanian teacher said to her "you are like a flower.... if you give a petal to each man you come across, then when you meet the man of your dreams you won't have any more petals to give".... i liked that... anywho, i'm off to bed... :wavey

heavymetalhippy01cg - December 16, 2007 08:02 PM (GMT)
She made some irresponsible decisions ill agree. If i wasnt there i dont think people would've understood if she changed. The thing is your like....oh its sad to see them that way and your angry coz perhaps it has an affect on you. But these people i just knew they were total hypocrites. You can't dictate to others or criticise other people if your doing the same thing yourself. And i never judged them...didn't give a shit to be honest as long as it didn't affect me or my friends directly.

Battery - December 16, 2007 09:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (heavymetalhippy01cg @ Dec 16 2007, 09:02 PM)
She made some irresponsible decisions ill agree. If i wasnt there i dont think people would've understood if she changed. The thing is your like....oh its sad to see them that way and your angry coz perhaps it has an affect on you. But these people i just knew they were total hypocrites. You can't dictate to others or criticise other people if your doing the same thing yourself. And i never judged them...didn't give a shit to be honest as long as it didn't affect me or my friends directly.

I believe your post was a reply to mine, right?

Honestly, you got me there. It's not that I'm so sad I cry when I see those people (I mentioned girls only, when guys can be slutty too!). And it doesn't have that big affect on me directly. But sometimes, I just wonder, how will the society look like in the future: you see, in my town I see many kids who wear tons of make up, dressing and acting provocatively, pretending to be adults when in fact all they care about is partying (and everything what follows) and being on time with all trends. When I see that, I can't say to myself this image is totally right. I know every case should be considered individual but still, I have to assume that there are many ones that only copy trends, do what they think is right (what makes them cool) and what is dictated by shallow magazines, movies etc. Believe me, I heard few conversations of them and I was like....... 'Hmmmmm' I don't make myself super clever or smart, I'm a dummy in many situations, but I was a little 'moved' by the way they talked and the things they talked about (they looked really young, like around 12). I know, I don't know them closer, those were only a particular conversations, heard accidently, but still....
And perhaps I'm a hypocrite here, but you see, I don't point on them and call them 'sluts' or something. I mean, I'm neutral to them on the outside because I haven't a situation of direct contact with them yet, and still, they didn't do me anything wrong. But inside I know that some of their behavior is wrong.
I hope this make sens to you...... :wacko:

Edit: And one more thing. Your friend had this luck she had you, and she had a personality that allowed her to change. But many people aren't like that. They stay on the wrong track and they keep hurting themselves and people around them.

Usagi - December 17, 2007 01:09 AM (GMT)
Hey,and what about ppl who actually fell in love once and lost the virginity with the person they regareded as "the one"? Do you also think they are sluts (or man sluts ,whatever)? Because all of you guys say: "I'm gonna wait with sex until I find a true love"...but "true" love doesn't have to last forever...I mean,you may think you love your partner and so he does love you but,hey, after some time you come up to a conclusion that it's not what you've waited for (and let's say you've already lost your virginity with this person).What then? Do you intend do have sex only with those you are gonna marry??? :blink:

Metfuk - December 17, 2007 01:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Usagi @ Dec 17 2007, 02:09 AM)
Hey,and what about ppl who actually fell in love once and lost the virginity with the person they regareded as "the one"? Do you also think they are sluts (or man sluts ,whatever)? Because all of you guys say: "I'm gonna wait with sex until I find a true love"...but "true" love doesn't have to last forever...I mean,you may think you love your partner and so he does love you but,hey, after some time you come up to a conclusion that it's not what you've waited for (and let's say you've already lost your virginity with this person).What then? Do you intend do have sex only with those you are gonna marry??? :blink:

I see the situation you described as perfectly normal.
I'm just against people who have another 'the one' every month. It's ridiculous.
But what you said made perfect sense to me. :) You never know how long a relationship will last.

TakeNoPrisoners - December 17, 2007 03:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Usagi @ Dec 16 2007, 05:09 PM)
Hey,and what about ppl who actually fell in love once and lost the virginity with the person they regareded as "the one"? Do you also think they are sluts (or man sluts ,whatever)? Because all of you guys say: "I'm gonna wait with sex until I find a true love"...but "true" love doesn't have to last forever...I mean,you may think you love your partner and so he does love you but,hey, after some time you come up to a conclusion that it's not what you've waited for (and let's say you've already lost your virginity with this person).What then? Do you intend do have sex only with those you are gonna marry??? :blink:

That's perfectly acceptable.

A person changes, his interest changes and who he loves today can change in an amount of time.

That's where divorces come from. If you wait till you find "unchanging love" let me tell ya, you've got a long time to wait. :)




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