BBC 4 Women's Hour Kurdish Women Raped

Was given this for my Power tutorial.

I hate how the Turkish government keeps thinking it can pull this shit over and over, just on different ethnic minorities. First the Galatians, then Bulgarians, Greeks, Cypriots, Armenians, and then this...yeesh.

Why is this so special?

Turkey's fucked in the ass in the moment, but Jesus on a speeder, these kinda shit doesn't only happen to minorities.

Most of the Kurd's in Turkey are a threat to society, although there are many that are neutral or for Turkey. But let's be honest, most are either involved with PKK, involved in gangs or just straight out useless masses.

Most of the Kurdish people that are shown innocent as the world media are the ones that do that shit to Turkish women, believe me, the news are full of this kinda shit here. Even Turkish men inflict that kinda shit to their own Turkish women, I know that this kinda shit is revolting, disgraceful and immoral, but it's not a source that shows that the fucks treat ONLY Kurdish women like that.

Please, stop trying to show my people as barbaric and unfair. The govenment right now is a bunch of fucking faggots, the EU worshiping is bullshit and the society's a joke but FOR FUCK'S SAKE, this kinda shit happens everywhere, not only in Turkey, so stop trying to point a finger.

Any story on rape is special. You may not have to worry about it but for woman it is one of our main worries. I was given this by my lecturer and i thought i'd share it. Perhaps if your more interested in women's issues you can have a look at the other discussions they have on there.

Oh and this is technically a chicks website so...the majority of us are women on this site, and rape is a women's issue but i thought id introduce a different aspect to it...as a political tool to stifle dissent.

I think the issue is using rape as a tool against women...that's why its women's hour. And obviously because your a Kurd and lots of other kurds do bad things doesn't mean that it legitimises rape against kurdish women...it doesn't legitimise rape.

Now their not saying it only happens to minorities but a) these kurdish women have very little in representation and voice. b) its important to understand that when you add ethnicity and war...rape instead of it just being a sexual power thing over the women...it becomes a political tool as well.

I always felt that when discussing rape...people's views are skewed in a western cultural approach like some liberal feminism is very white middle class and takes little account of variation in women's experience.

Did you listen to the excerpt? It's not entirely one sided...there's a Human rights lawyer, a MEP and a Turkish representative.

Burak remember that despite your negative views on some kurds, whatever they've done, it never ever legitimises rape.

And rape its a very special issue to talk about...in this case i thought id "jump in the fire" and start off with something controversial.
Then maybe we can talk about some more issues about rape.

The only point that I was trying to make is that it bugs the crap out of me when countries just keep denying things or keep on with the same trends. Just because I don't like the Turkish goverenment doesn't mean that I don't feel for the people there. Just because I hate the way England runs things doesn't mean that I hate everyone in England.

I know about the PKK and I know that there are bad Kurds, but to say that most of them are a "useless mass" makes the situation worse.

I was waiting for you to reply, because it's good to have an "insiders" opinion when viewing stories like this.

I'm unfamiliar with this story, I admit. I agree that this kind of stuff happens everywhere, not just in Turkey.

I also perceive that Turkey wants to fair well in the EU for better public perception that Turkey is a modern western, albeit Islamic, country.

Fair enough.

Rape happens everywhere but as soon as it happens in certain countries it's used against them at a blink. You can find good and bad people everywhere.
My opinion.

I agree with that statement, but some use the rape of men and women as torture techniques.

There is a certain amount of hypocrisy with countries who attack other countries for having shit rape laws...when they cant get themselves in order but...every opportunity you have to show observable cases and trends in rape...you should. No matter what country.

I think the special thing about this...is that rape is being used as a political tool and may be state supported (thats a maybe).

I know in Darfur it is being used as a way of ...eugenics. By raping the women...when she gets pregnant, the baby will have the genes of the man who raped her...i think that's how their logic is.

Take Norway for example, here people who are proven guilty of rape in court get so short time in prison which has caused lots of debates for years here. But I doubt you hear about it in other countries and I consider this a case just as serious as what this thread is about.

I also hate the fact that some people judge an entire population for the actions of some people of the population.

Rape is not encouraged in Turkey against ANY race, religion or idea. What the hell?

It may be a tool, but it's not only in Turkey. Many people outside Turkey rape women to show they're more powerful or to get what they want. But let me tell you this, NO ONE in the goverment supports rape (as far as publication goes though) or encourages us Turkish citizens to "Go out there and rape some Kurdish women!".

Rape is horrible and all that but it can happen (and does happen) anywhere and everywhere. Countries all around the world have sick fucks living in their borders and rape isn't taken any lightly anywhere in the world.

PS: I'm aware that I'm very light with words with this post, I know it's a very heavy topic for you girls over here but I really don't want to make it any heavier by dramatizing anything. So please excuse me if it looks like I'm taking all this lightly.

Well in the case of Kurds...what PKK has done...a lot people judge the whole of the kurdish population...and with the turkish security forces and their erm...actions...judge the whole of turkish population and with...black metal and some of the things they've done...judge the whole norwegian metal community. Hmmm...its strange.

All rape cases...all are serious to me and all should be spoken about more. Because...well i know that disabled people are even more vulnerable to rape (coz we're generally more vulnerable) ...i do worry about it, i dont know what id do if i was raped. To tell you the truth...if i had the resources, id probably get an assasin to kill the bastard. Even if there was a chance at rehabilitation. Simple case of revenge and removal from life. I'd deal with the consequences of that and the guilt...but that's how i think id feel.

I know after a few years a lot of rape victims feel that their anger isn't healthy and that killing the person...doesn't actually help.

I was just saying that because its to do with turkish security forces...they are organised by the government and...well i know that ALL governments have a habit of covering up things that they dont want others to hear.

I was speculating that maybe some government officials may turn a blind eye because it is the Kurds...although its not official policy...but then again not many people in turkey are gonna specifically support kurds at a time when popular opinion seems to be against the kurds.

And its not just in turkey...as in darfur i know their doing the same things...only that's a specific action of eugenics. I think this is just a case to get kurdish women to shut up.

Don't you want your country to become a EU member?

Agreed. No further explinations necessary.

I'm not Turkish so i can't say for Turkey but almost all of the countries outside the EU (Great Britain, Norway, Denmark ect...) don't want to in any way.
I think it's viewed as a form of French control over Europe, the newspapers i read in England and Norway certainly view it as that and I personally think it's a way for smaller European countries not to feel so pushed around because they have the backing of France ect. Really i don't mind the EU for the smaller countries but I think there should be a League of smaller nations or something because i think the way individual countries work now is fine.

On the issue of Rape, in England and Norway there's always alot of press about people that don't get heavy terms for committing it, which i think there should be.
And in regards to it being used as tool in times of war and in times of immense confusion within a country i don't ever think it's a countries fault but rather the idiot minority that believe it's actually an okay thing to do. I remember reading of some truly awful stories about rape in times of war and i personally don't think it'll ever stop being used as a tool. The knowledge and act of being taken sexually against your will is so traumatic and personal that many women never get over it. I just really wish it didn't happen but don't we all? As long as there is opposite sexes there will always be rape. unfortunate but true.

French control? From my point of view France isn't such a powerful EU country, when I think EU, France is definitely not the thing that comes to my mind. In my country nobody really cares about France, rather England or Germany. And I think that becoming a EU member is a HUGE chance for developing countries! In case of Poland (my country) it was make or break, if we hadn't joined EU, we would've probably been swallowed by the East (Russia especially). But now we're protected by the union, we develop economically, we can work abroad legally, we can study abroad for cheaper fees, we can travel without our passports etc.

Sorry for the offtop.