So, I love animals very much. So much that I actually am going to became a vet (hopefully), because I want to live all my life with animals and for animals.

Recently when I talked about this inclination of mine, one person said that I'm an horrible person because I'm more interested in animals than humans. I stated that while most humans know very very well how to defend themselves, not many animals can do it; and moreover, I always found that animals are much better that us in many a way. I don't hate mankind, I just despise it; but I do accept that I'm a part of it, and try not to harm other persons. I respect whoever choose to work hard for mankind, I always try to give my little something for the unluckiest, but I do not feel that much wish of help man, not as much as I feel the need of helping animals.

I tought this is a very good matter of discussion, and I'm interested in your opinions, so let's start the fight :lol: .

I'd choose animals over humans anytime.

Oh thank the heavens. At least I can be an horrible person alongside with someone else! :lol: :biggrin

Hmm intersting thread..

Well let me start off by saying that I am not a pet-person. I don't need a pet. I think animals don't belong in a house.
I do love animals though. I can watch at and play with our neighbors cat for a long time. And I think horses are beautiful. Also certain races of dogs are pretty cool looking. And the list goes on and on (let's not forget to mention sea creatures). But, this still doesn't wanna make me have them as a pet.

So animal lover here, but not on my carpet. :P

Okay. I love animals. I have a hamster (really small one so I have to be careful everytime I try to hug it :lol: ) and the cutest bunny in the world <3
Even though he bites me or rapes my hand >_< I also contribute small amounts of money for saving wolves in Poland,monthly.I think they're beautiful,btw @_@ I know nature would probably cope with this problem (with or without my help) but if we as a mankind hold some control over other creatures who not to help them?

oh my god max C'EST SUPER :lol:

Ay I forgot to comment.
I agree that animals are "harmless" and defensless. It's humanity who's exploiting the nature.
As for myself, I'm a pro-animal and pro-nature person (I'm a bit of a veggie...I rarely eat meat), I used to go with a friend of mine to a place where volunteers like us took care of abandoned dogs and cats, and I am the typical person who won't wash her hands if it's not necesary just to not waste water.
Let me say I used to think that humans don't need as much as help as animals, but I kind of changed my mind...there's still a lot of people who live with less than $5 a day. And you don't have to go to Africa to see that. Just take a walk through the streets of the La Mina neighbourhood in barcelona or look out of the window when you're going with your car on any highway of Spain. It's full of slums.
What I'm trying to say is that there are lots of people who need any kind of help just to get over the day. It's not all of the humanity who takes profite of the weak ones. So in my opinion there is no need to despise the entire mankind.

Still, I agree with you (Hellfire sorry don't know your name); I do not have that much of a need of helping the man as much as I feel the need of helping animals.

Oh and Max, cats and horses are my fave animals too :biggrin (i know it sounds cheesy)

If you tolf anyone that your main interest was to play golf noone would react. If you tell them you love animals they go all ape. It's a weird world :wacko:

I'm for the animals. There's plenty of human DR's out there riping us off. Go for being a vet!!!!!!! :tu:

I often thought about it..especially when I saw my first foal being born and it was amazing but I wished I had known what to do to help because at the time I didn't. I know a lot about it now. And it's great knowing how to help an animal! :horns2

Yes, that's mankind self centrism. Since forever we always believe we are the most important thing.....

I didn't say that. Just in case you got me wrong or sth!
But yeah I agree, some think humans are a superior race or something.

Aren't we the superior race? :blink:

I mean, we have the power to control animals (not all, but most of them). Doesn't that make us superior?

Yes, and we have the ability/knowledge to use the earths natural products to make objects (building materials) out of. There is no other animal that can do this.

Sorry Metfuk have to disagree with ya. Animals can take all kinds of shit and makes homes with it...sure they can;t build a 100 story building [they have no need to]...but they can build a damn good home with just Earth and what she provides. And they are natural born hunters and survivors and some times can make us look very silly..we have to learn to hunt everything...for them it's "built" in.

There was some beavers that built a dam so tough and big they had to get out dynamite to bust it up! It had scrap lumber...metal ...trash...HUGE home. They had to blast it though.

Was causing the river to overflow and flood.

But I think in the long run they are far more better architects than humans.
:)

I have to disagree.

We can build more, and better things than animals. They may have their skills 'build in'. But we have the ability to learn, unlike some animals.

Animals are not superior to us in any way.

No animal is that stupid to kill the member of its same species. No animal is so stupid to make wars or build any weapon that could kill their whole specie. No animal is so stupid to completely devastate its own planet. The only thing that makes us superior, if you want to say so, is cruelty and stupidity in my opinion. We are just a specie. But we are animals. Not superior, not inferior.

Oh and we can force animals to serve us just because we are cruel. We use our wicked mind on weaker creatures (I don't think I have to go into details about what we can do to force animal to do our will, there are oh so many examples)--and this is not a thing to be proud of, the same way you can't be proud if you steal a kid's candies. Cruelty doesen't make us superior. Not at all.

Animals can also build things. Their own homes for example, and some monkeys can also build little utensiles to haunt insects. We just took that quality further. We value that quality just because we hold it, we will never value strenght the same way because there are many animals stronger than us.

Creativity.

That's what makes us far more superior than animals.

I'm gonna elaborate when I have more time, wait for it

Ok :)
I'll say since now that I think creativity is something every living being shares. You need a looooot of creativity to live! :lol:

I do believe that animals kills eachother quite alot. Humans have got intellect. Yes it's true that without humans the world wouldn't be so f-ed up, but whats really that great about a beautiful world if theres no one there with the ability to appriciate it?

Just me being philosofic :wink

Humans are superior in the sense that, what's happening arround us is because of what all of us do. We have power to decide, to destroy the planet or to save it, even to create in some aspects. We are the ones who make a change, not other animals.

However, because of that, we lost our ability to survive and subsist on situations animals would adapt perfectly. We contradict our nature.
It's Men's curiosity and intelligence that makes us something other animals can't become.

I do love animals though. I've got two cats and two dogs and used to want to be a vet as well. =)

Nah they are PLENTY animals that kill there own. Many! I use to have fish and if you didn't get the babies out right then,the adults would eat the. That's just ONE example I can names TONS...And animals do make war among themselves..not like WE do but they do. Take something as simple as squirrels .. for instance...you have one family in one den...and right down from them another family. For some reason if they don't get along they will have "war" with each other until one family has had enough and one leaves. But again,not like our wars!! But they do fight there own type of war. :)

I didn't mean that burak.
I didn't explain myself properly.

Humans are a superior in creativity and intelligence, ok. But that's not all. What I meant was that some humans think they have the right to misshandle and kill animals and to destroy the enviroment just because they're "humans".

Do you understand me now?

My post wasn't directed at you Sofi, I was just pointing out the difference between animals and humans.

I agree that humanity's fucked up so much wild-life and species of animals, no argument in that.

In fact, I believe that humanity's a virus. Spreading and killing all around it. Humanity's the PERFERCT virus.

My point about creativity was that a beaver can build only what, 3 or 4 types of damns? But a man can create thousand kinds of shelter for his kind.

That's what makes mankind so horrible and monsterous, the possibilites and lusts are endless, thus destroying the enviroment.

Damn that was such a negative minded post!
First off, it has already been established that animals DO kill their own members. And how many times do you hear about certain animals being rejected by it's parents? That's cruel too!

"The only thing that makes us superior, if you want to say so, is cruelty and stupidity in my opinion."

Utter bollocks! How can you say that? You must be a real human-hater to say something so one-sided. I can think of a lot of stuff that makes us superior over animals. First off and foremost: We are the superior race. Not true? Well then why isn't another animal at the top then? I mean if tigers for example were the superior animal: Then the world would've been run by tigers. This is not the case.

Also we have the ability to build transports for ourselves. Cars, boats and planes. No other animals has this abilty. They only have the ability to build a home.

Of course, we have lost the abilty to hunt, due to our development. But many years ago, humans used to hunt in order to survive. General intelligence has made it possible that we've grown out of that and that we are now sitting in front of our screens. All made possible because of our intelligence.

We ARE superior cause we are intelligent creatures that have the ability of abstract thinking. It's good to live in harmony with the environment, but at the end of the day we, humanity, are more important and our lives are above animals'.

It's not true that only humans kill each other. Many animals kill the weaker individuals of the same specie. There's something like a natural selection and also the theory that only the strong will survive.

But this is not a fact. It's something mankind decided. And this decision "we" made doesn't mean we have the right to exploit "weaker" living beings like plants, other animals or the environment itself. I agree we are standing over the rest in matters of intelligence and creativity, but this, as I said, doesn't give us the right to act like bitches to the beings we share the world with.

I said that it's good to live in harmony with the environment. But sometimes it is impossible, and in those cases people are more important.

I'd choose animals over humans in a heartbeat.

Would you let people die to save e.g a horse? a few birds or whatever?

No no no...animals and humans are EQUAL IMO.

Think about it. How are we equal? We both have one common goal. SURVIVE and LIVE. And do it the best way possible.

There are parts of the world where some animals ARE IMO "superior". Some parts of Africa people have stopped living in because Lions and other animals were killing them! Read that somewhere....

And...you say since we have this kind of intelligence that we are "superior".

Lots of humans DON'T have this kind of intelligence. Like tribes of rain forest and other places [BY NO MEANS AM I CALLING THEM STUPID!!!] they just haven't devolved that kind of "smarts" not needed by them.

But,they are human and can't not build or work computer...no car..no phone.

They build huts from what they find in the forest...[like animals]
They sometimes have tree houses [think of birds...the build nest in trees]
They some times live in caves... under over hanging rocks...
So does that make US superior over THEM because they are animal like?

People and animals are equal IMO. They are smart in there way and us in ours but in the end...we are equal and I don't think we are "superior" to anything on Earth...we just live here and share it.

And we hunt and eat animals...But! How many animals have killed humans? PLENTY!

Not sure my message will get through..I sometimes have a hard time getting what's in my head out to people to understand...but I tried
:)

But if someone said marry a man or have a dog the rest of your life...here Fiddo..here boy Momma's got ya bone!!

:D

Were equal. :cool

Please, don't allow yourself to spit sentences on me: I do not allow myself to spit sentences on you. I'm not an human hater, I did said that I do not hate all mankind but despise some parts of it as anyone does.

I'm not one sided, I'm just trying to express the idea that put always ourselves over anything is leading to destruction of earth. Just think about, for an instance, to pollution: we caused it because we put our necessities over anything, without ever stopping one moment to think about what we were doing. Do you think you are that superior and that this things allows you to destroy and kill? I do not think so. This feelings of superiorty as led us to the disasters we did. We feel superior to animals and destroy them. Same way we feel superior to other human beings and we kill them. It's something to despise and avoid in any way I think. The feeling that we are the best has led to so many disasters that all togheter we couldn't even name them all.

This is my point when I talk about animals. I don't know if I gave the idea, but I think it's hypocrit to be the knight of human rights and then have an hate for ecology or animals. We are the origin of all these problems, and it's mankind duty to try resolve ALL of them. My point is that my choice of love animals, care for them, help them, as to be respected as much as someone else's idea of becaming a doctor or something. I'm trying to help, and fix what WE destroyed.

And I absolutely agree with Kanna. We are nothing but animals who developed their characteristics as all animals does. Our caractheristics are just different, but this doesen't gives us the right of doing our best to ruine and destroing everything, including our own habitat.

Yeah look into Ape DNA...we are so close...VERY close..close close!!

Yeah...that's a very harsh thing to say..

well id say it all depends on the person...would i save a horse over george bush, erm yeah i would...would i save a horse over a baby mmm no, the baby hasn't had a chance at life.

But we are animals...we're a type of animal. We have the ability to reflect on our actions and this should make us more intelligent but somehow with all these tools, we still fuck things up. Hence animals generally are better because they prob have some in built ability to recognise that if they destroy their habitat then their dead also.

Are we superior? depends on the human. We have the capacity to not act like those animals who conduct themselves to the detriment of their species or themselves. But a lot of the time we are still animals with a little leeway.

Anyway....i dont like being a human, trees are much better, they exist and have a duty to keep the earth breathing, they are a house in themselves and they cant physically kill their own species. Their perfect.

Except that they don't have the ability to move. :P

Heh im disabled and i spent most of my time in bed...i think ill be fine...of course if i was a tree with thoughts and stuff. I of course would be smashin loggers to fuck with my big branches. It'd be like the trees in Lord of the Rings or the Ents.

Most animals I know are better "people" than most of the people I know. It's all life. And yeah, I would probably choose my cats over strangers if a house was on fire.

id rather save both of them

Well, me too, but if I had to make a choice... it would be hard.

i would choose people because thats my species. What do u think a cat would do? he/she might save its owner ya...but i think itd pick its own cat species over us to save. Mind you if a cat had a personality, i think it would save neither and just er...walk away.