Well I'm very happy. Last night was awesome. I swear I cried at his speech.

Click HERE to read my thoughts on last night's events!!!

I also made this:



HAH.


How do you think this will play out?

Whoopie. Now I get a choice between a liberal and a socialist. What a country.

Ditto

He's never gonna be the next president anyway.

Why so pessimistic?

I do think it's gonna be hard. There has been a lot of mud throwing among Obama and Clinton, and this is only food for when the campaign of the republicans starts. It's gonna be a tough time!

I really hope Obama will become president, America, and even better, the WORLD needs him!

Oh Please, you actually think things are gonna change. I wish they would, i hope he makes something better but he'll have loads of advisors that like power and nghhh. Why do people think the republicans and democrats are so opposite?
Liberal? heh dont know the meaning of liberal.
Obama will give me less of a headache that's for sure.

Yes, things can change. Did anybody think anything would change with Nixon? Probably not - and then he pulled troops out of Vietnam and had a crazy scandal after that.

Anything can change, and I really don't see how you could make it seem like politics never change anything. They always will, for better or for worse (and that better or worse is always a matter of opinion, of course).

Um YES Republicans and Democrats are very much the opposite. There are certainly people that have faith in neither, but there is no way you could say that they are the same, so I really can't see where you are coming from.

At least somebody is being positive other than Sweet Clementine.

I think he had a better chance of beating McCain, and for that reason am glad that he won against Clinton. Personally I voted for Edwards and this is why I hold that opinion mainly on its own.

Anyway, I will admit that I am biased in the sense that I don't like the Republican party, so I will definitely be voting for Obama.

Sorry I must ask...
Is that cool because Obama wins?

Well i dont think either believes in liberty, and certainly doesn't encourage it. Their both funded by a lot of companies and co-orporations. Things wont change, at least not in the way i define it.

I think both believe in money and power, i think Obama is kinda like Gandalf who says he'll take the ring of power to do good but ultimately he'll just do evil.
I think his heart is in the right place and he's passionate but I think he'll soon realise some things he might want to do may be stopped by more authoritarian advisors. They still want to control the people you know.

Obama... meh :td:

I'm voting for Pedro.

There is also a group called Libertarians out here, but they don't always stand for liberty either. Ron Paul was a perfect example.

But he was also a Republican . . . seems contradictory, then? Libertarian with staunch Republican views?

But politics are contradictory, so yes, you have a point there.

Actually, I am a libertarian (I don't belong to the party) :) The problem is that many people refuse to vote for an independent candidate, thinking that it's wasting your vote :rolleyes: Many Libertarians who run for public office often run as Republicans, as they are seen as the conservative party :rolleyes: . This way they can be assured of getting some votes. Ron Paul is from Texas, a red state. If he ran as a libertarian, no one down there would vote for him, that's why he's registered as Republican. I hope this clears things up :)

Right, I figured that was the reason he ran Republican, but it still looked contradictory.

Yeah, they wouldn't get many votes if they ran independent. But Ron Paul didn't get many votes anyway.

Uhm, anything's better than what we have now.

Kthnx. :rolleyes:

a libertarian was once the word used for an anarchist...its been hijacked by people that are supposed to encourage liberty but dont.

Well this thread went as smoothly as I predicted.

Yep, I am definitely still in the "anyone but Bush" relief period!

Hope Jeb never runs. The first Bush said "Read my lips, no new taxes". I say "Read MY lips, no new BUSHES!"

I believe he is in the Megadeth video for Foreclosure of a Dream then.

hey man im happy and hopeful but im also realistic. As realistic as an anarchist is...just like anarchists were in russia when the communists took over. Hopeful it would work out but ....meh they knew it wasn't going to.

Voting for Obama.

:biggrin

I am quite far away from United states, but I ve been watching "fight" between Obama and Hilary... I must admit I was for Hilary at first place, beacause I think there is bigger chance that woman will became president, than black man. I think America still isnt ready for that. But I read more about Obama, and since than I am for him. I will really be happy if he won eletions, and became president. But I have to say again: I am sorry, but I dont think that America is still prepare for that. Man, Ku Klux Klan still exist!! (not legally, of course, but it exist).

I worry about the Klan, too. They'll probably protest at the DNC, and I'm praying to God the police can contain it.

There'll probably be police in the KKK, prob best if you get some other protesters or some anarchists.

I know that RATM are going to be there and a lot of leftist groups. It's going to be a mess, but I can't wait.

Unfortunately, it can and will get worse. No matter who gets elected.


I think it's so sad that in a country with 200 million people, the BEST we can come up with to be the leader of the free world is Hillary, Obama, and McCain. Refuckingdiculous. Neither of these three clowns are fit to be president. What a fucking fix. Hillary's out, at least we hope so. So now we're left with Bush III and a Socialist who's going to raise taxes and turn hospitals into a third world DMV with government health care that we can't afford, and more. Rest assured that whoever gets elected will no doubt rape this country like it's never been raped before, and will further decrease our way and standard of life. Gas prices will hit $5 a gallon and up. Food continue to become more expensive as we use corn for fuel instead of food in order to fight the mythical ManBearPig. Healthcare will either A) continue to erode and become more and more unaffordable or B) become universal, and erode into a third world state. So we're fucked. I can't believe I have a choice between Clown A and Clown B. Hopefully these clueless fucks will fuck up so bad, they'll be one-termers, and someone with political and leadership aptitude can rise to the front. But I doubt it...

Either one of these dipshits will make us long for the good ol' days with Bush.

Raquel, I think you're being really pessimistic here.

I'm being very realistic.

You really think Obama is fit to be President? Who is he? No one knew who Obama was two years ago. And now he's the great Savior? Ha.

I really think you Obamaniacs are going to have some serious buyers remorse come this time next year.

PS -- Obama was never meant to be a serious candidate. Obama was invented and groomed by the Hillary camp to make Hillary look more moderate. The plan backfired in her face. And if you don't think that politicians play games like that to get into office, you're naive.


Would anybody like to hear what I think of McCain?

I have to agree with Raquel there, Doro. I don't like either McCain or Obama, I don't think either of them is going to do a good job. I dislike both socialist and neo-con politicians, and I don't think either of these guys is going to do anything right. Either way, the prices of everything is going to go up, we'll have a war with Iran, or worse :ugh: Maybe a third-party candidate will come out of nowhere, or no one will actually show up at the polls. I'm being silly, but that might actually be the best option.

Actually, people DID know who Obama was two years ago. They knew who he was four years ago during the last DNC, too. That's where it all began for the mainstream media.

I have a lot of faith in Obama and I know that he's not going to be perfect. However, I think that he is the best-suited person for the job and have ever since 2006 when I was certain that he would run. I'm not living in a fairy tale - I look at things very realistically and I know that Obama has what I want in a president.

I don't think Obama's going to be the pimple on the world's ass like Bush was. I'm sorry. The way our economy has gone to shit, oil prices are going through the roof, there are innocent soldiers getting fucking killed over in Iraq, and who the fuck is to blame? BUSH! Never in my 21 years of existence have I witnessed a politician fuck things up like Bush has. Is Obama the best candidate? No. Do I think he's going to continue to fuck things up like Bush did? Fuck no.

At least Obama can speak in complete sentences. Shit.

Nobody's arguing about how shitty Bush has been for the US. Bush is without a doubt the worst president in US history. Do I think Obama can fuck up this country worse that Bush has? Absolutely yes, without a shadow of a doubt I think he can. Do I think Obama will fix the oil and food prices soaring out of control? No, I don't. Do I think Obama will tear down our first class, albeit imperfect, health car system and turn it into a third world system? He already said he would. Do I think this country will be fixed by Obama, the invented non-entity? No way. And he'll rape this country speaking in complete, eloquent, poetic sentences.

The point I was trying to make is, if we're counting on good leadership these next four years, we're all doomed. We have the non-entity socialist against the senile old man who looks like he's about to drop dead at any second. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Is this REALLY the best our country can do? Are these really the cream of the crop as far as politicians go? Do these two people REALLY represent the majority of Americans? Fuck no. Neither of them represent me.

I never got to vote. The whole election was decided for me. My state held a caucus (ironcally pronounced COCK-US) in which tickets were distributed by lottery to a select few people. I feel cheated. I never got to vote for the candidate I wanted to vote for. This country is in serious need of election reform. In a country with a REAL electorate process, neither of these two clowns would have made it past the front gates.

I'd rather vote for my dog than Obama or McCain.

Okay, I'm done.

I'm agreeing to disagree and keeping my mouth shut from now on.

Raquel obviously knows more than I ever will about how things are running in the USA as she's living there.
But one thing I don't understand is: Do you people really believe gas prices are going to drop (or that the president can do something about it)? They are also rising like crazy in Europe. Everybody is mad about it. But I don't think they'll ever significantly drop anymore because we're running out of oil.
It's fucking time we're gonna drive on hydrogen and electricity now!
It's funny because America is used to their ridiculously big cars. Over here in Europe, it was NEVER 'normal' to own a big ass pickup truck. In my town there's only one car like that driving around. On the road you see a Hummer maybe a couple of times a month...probably owned by some rich guy, but other than that, we're not used to owning big cars because they consume gas like crazy.
It's time Americans get it through their sculls that big trucks are no longer normal and that they are, above all, not nescesary.

I dont wanna dissapoint people but i think raquel is right in predicting all of your disappointments in obama and any other president. None of the candidates are good...obama's good for morale.

I'd really appreciate it if we stayed away from generalizations.

Sure, America is a capitalistic society, and most of us are greedy as shit, but there are some who actually attempt to CONSERVE the gas we use.

My car gets 29 MPG highway, thanks. And I try not to fill up more than twice a month. Not all of us Americans are into gas guzzlers.

Max, nobody is running out of oil. There is no oil shortage. There is a manufacturing shortage. In fact, the US has enough oil to run our own country on our own supplies and reserves, but we have regulations against off-shore oil drilling. Aside from Alaska, our biggest untapped natural resource, we could be drilling 50 miles away from the shore of Florida. China is drilling 60 miles off shore of Florida. The reason why crude (processed oil) is at a shortage right now is partly due to countries like China and India, who are hoarding large amounts of oil to build thier economy. They have no regulations. They have no enviromental contraints because their first priority is to build thier economy at all costs. And then here in the US and in Europe, politicians are fretting about "global warming" AKA weather and will put a vice grip on the economy to attempt to "prevent" it. There was a well written article by the president of the Weather Channel ( a REAL meterologist) explaining the relationship between the Climate Change scheme and the price of oil.

That said, I for the most part don't believe that either Obama or McCain can or WILL do anything about the price of oil. I believe that they will encourage the shortage and the high prices, in the name of global warming AKA weather.

Also, not all Americans have rediculously big cars. I don't. Secondly, we are NOT Europe. We don't want to be like Europe. And I for one don't see anything wrong with a family of six having a rediculously big car. It's called freedom of choice, it's something that Americans value more than anything. I see nothing wrong with someone who wants to drive a large car -- Americans do a hell of a lot more driving than Europeans do, mostly out of necessity, and we don't want to be cramped up in a mini cooper. Also, when you drive 60 miles interstate to your job (which I occasionally have to do) I would rather have a larger, safer car, not a pregnant roller scate that will disintigrage upon impact. Learn to think before you make broad sweeping false statements. Thanks.

There's nothing wrong with 6 people sharing a car...having too many cars though is expensive and produces too much pollution. If you can share vehicles, ride bikes or use public transport wherever you can. And dont cut down so many trees, they absorb at a lot of the greenhouse gases. And whatever you do, dont panic buy petrol.

Seriously, what's the history behind Obama? Raquel made me realize I never heard from him until these days. :blink: